{"id":47747,"date":"2026-02-02T10:35:20","date_gmt":"2026-02-02T09:35:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.freelancermap.com\/blog\/?p=47747"},"modified":"2026-02-02T10:35:21","modified_gmt":"2026-02-02T09:35:21","slug":"podcast-episode-18-jack-spencer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.freelancermap.com\/blog\/podcast-episode-18-jack-spencer\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Freelancers Are Already 40% Of Your Workforce &#8211; Episode 18 with Jack Spencer"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>The way we work has changed \u2013 quietly, steadily, and now irreversibly. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of <em>The Independent Workforce<\/em>, we sit down with flexible workforce specialist <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jackarthurgeorge\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jack Spencer<\/a><\/strong>, \u2013 founder of <a href=\"https:\/\/freeflexer.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Freeflexer<\/em><\/a> and co-founder of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/clubredundo.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Club Redundo<\/a><\/em> \u2013 to unpack what\u2019s really holding companies back from working successfully with freelancers. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>From missing ownership and outdated mindsets to the massive opportunities hidden in blended workforce models, this conversation cuts through the buzzwords and gets honest about <strong>what businesses need to do next to stay competitive<\/strong> in a world where independent talent is no longer the exception, but a core part of how work gets done.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-group has-background\" style=\"background-color:#f5f5f5\"><div class=\"wp-block-group__inner-container is-layout-constrained wp-block-group-is-layout-constrained\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-spotify wp-block-embed-spotify wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe title=\"Spotify Embed: \ud83e\udd47 Why Freelancers Are Already 40% Of Your Workforce | The Independent Workforce | Jack Spencer\" style=\"border-radius: 12px\" width=\"624\" height=\"351\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen allow=\"autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; fullscreen; picture-in-picture\" data-src=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/embed\/episode\/1uDZFIwE4zjPmmwipmSbgj\/video?utm_source=oembed\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" class=\"lazyload\" data-load-mode=\"1\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>Enjoyed this episode?<br><\/strong>Subscribe now on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@freelancermapinternational6860\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">YouTube<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/creators.spotify.com\/pod\/profile\/freelancermap\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Spotify<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-independent-workforce\/id1840173073\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Apple Podcast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.freelancermap.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/The-Independence-Workforce-Podcast-TIW18-Jack-Spencer.pdf\">\ud83d\udce9 Download the full transcript <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.freelancermap.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/01\/The-Independent-Workforce-podcast-episode-18-Jack-Spencer.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">\ud83d\udce9<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Key takeaways:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Up to 40% of many companies\u2019 workforce is freelance, and usually unmanaged.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Compliance and cost problems are symptoms; the real issue is lack of ownership.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Managing freelancers by time increases risk; managing by outcomes reduces it.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Companies that treat freelancers as strategy outperform those who treat them as stopgaps.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Deep dive<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Freelancers didn\u2019t arrive \u2013 They accumulated<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Freelancers didn\u2019t enter companies through strategy. They entered through projects, deadlines, and urgent needs. One hire at a time, flexible work quietly became normal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Today, many companies wake up and realise: <strong>20\u201340% of their workforce doesn\u2019t sit on payroll<\/strong>, and no one is responsible for them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The real problem is ownership<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The issue is rarely talent or cost. The real issue is that <strong>no one owns the flexible workforce internally<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022 HR manages employees<br>\u2022 Finance manages budgets<br>\u2022 Legal manages risk<br>\u2022 But freelancers sit in between<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As Jack puts it:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cCompliance and cost are symptoms. The cause is that nobody owns it.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Without ownership, companies get chaos instead of strategy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-df34c2275007bff478d1aea839948a4c\" style=\"color:#ffffff;background-color:#728377\"><strong>Are you an experienced IT freelancer?<\/strong><br>Join our growing network of specialised professionals and access exclusive opportunities with leading companies.<br><br><a href=\"https:\/\/www.freelancermap.com\/registration?ref=blog-com-podcast-jack-spencer\"><strong>> Create your freelancer profile<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">From control to outcomes<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Many companies still try to manage freelancers like employees. They want to control time, process, and behaviour.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But <strong>freelancers don\u2019t sell time. They sell outcomes<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jack explains the shift simply:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cWhen you stop supervising people and start defining outputs, this becomes an opportunity instead of a risk.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>This is where freelancers become specialists and innovators, not just extra hands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">This is no longer optional<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Companies think freelancing is a choice. But the workforce already chose it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Younger professionals want autonomy, not ladders. Experience now comes from variety, not loyalty.<br>The world of work shifted, whether companies planned it or not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ignoring this shift doesn\u2019t stop it. It just delays adaptation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">AI is already in the workforce<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>AI didn\u2019t arrive with a contract. It arrived through emails, decks, and proposals.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jack calls this the \u201cphantom workforce.\u201d AI is great at structure and speed, but bad at nuance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That means:<br>\u2022 Routine work shrinks<br>\u2022 Judgment becomes valuable<br>\u2022 Specialists matter more<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Freelancers who bring context and experience stay relevant<\/strong>. Task-doers get replaced first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-background has-link-color wp-elements-73b3d1d8ee9cf1a67c3bcbe4c00fad4c\" style=\"color:#ffffff;background-color:#49376f\">Looking to hire specialised IT talent quickly?<br>Browse&nbsp;70,000+ freelancers&nbsp;or build a flexible global workforce.<br><br><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/www.freelancermap.com\/registration?ref=blog-com-podcast-jack-spencer\">&gt; Get started as a company<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Trust is built in boring places<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Freelancers don\u2019t need foosball tables. They need three things done well:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2022 Clear briefs<br>\u2022 Easy onboarding<br>\u2022 Fast payment<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And one thing companies forget: feedback.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jack warns:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cFreelancer communities are tighter than Glassdoor. 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